Chuliyos in tzitzis, Boee Besholom, candles by Chosson

My father O"bm mentioned that when the Landjuden came to Munich after the Nurenberg Laws - in 1936, he noticed that many of them wore Chulios on their tzitzis. Dayan Posen of Washington Heights also wears Chulios on his Tzitzis. The Chulios are similar to the Moroccan custom - each loop has a Chulio, rather than the Russian Chasidic Minhag of groups of three loops.

He also mentioned two interesting minhogim that he never saw elsewhere. By Boee Bshalom they turned around by Boee Kalloh Boee Kalloh for those four words, not the whole stanza! Another thing is that a Chosson on the day of his wedding & during Sheva Brochos - if he was in Shul, two candles were lit by his place.

Any comments would be appreciated. Also, is there anybody who has the Minhogim of Munich written down?

Thank you

Yehuda Nathan

Could this mean that this was an old Bavarian Minhag? Interestingly enough, the Radziner Chassidim make Chulios the same way with Tcheles!

Yehuda Nathan

This seems very hard to reconcile with the fact that the LandsJuden were not learned people. If they did it this way, most probably it was a Minhag Midorei Doros.

Yehuda Nathan

As my father Olov Hashalom is not available to answer this question, I must assume that he saw it by many of the Bavarian Landsjuden. He didn't mention seeing it in Frankfurt, when he was there in 1938. The only knowledge that I have of this Minhog in Frankfurt is from Dayan Posen Shlito of KAJ, who told me that they had this Minhog in his family.

Yehuda Nathan

What are Chuliyos?

MPerlman

Please look at this link for the method (this is for Sephardi Tzitzis with Tcheles, but the method for doing the Chulyos is the same).

According to Mesores Ashkenaz there are two major differences:

We don't use Techeles.

We do 7, 8, 11, 13 not 10, 5, 6, 5,



I hope this helps.

Yehuda Nathan

Are those the chuliyos? I thought chuliyos were the extra "Chinese staircase" type stitch that you sometimes see around the 7,8, 11, and 13.

Daniel

That's correct, the "Chinese Staircase"!

Yehuda Nathan