Vayomer Dovid el Gad

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02 Aug 2015 13:53 #2616 by Israel
Vayomer Dovid el Gad was created by Israel
Tefilah Sefas Yisrael says not to say Vayomer Dovid el Gad before nafilas apim, while the Hirsch Siddur prints the two lines. Does anyone know if Vayomer Dovid el Gad is not part of the minhag ashkenaz nusach?

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02 Aug 2015 14:45 #2617 by Michael
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In FFAM it was not said. See Divrei Kehillos page 35 אות כ.
And in brackets he writes:
ומה שאומרים על פי השל"ה "ויאמר דוד" וגו' מתמיה, כי דוד אמר זה בעת צר לו כשאמר לו גד "שלש אנכי נוטל עליך בחר לך אחת מהם". ואם בדור שלו (של השל"ה) שלא היו בשלווה תיקן של"ה לאמרו בצר להם מהגלות הקשה, איך יאמר בדורנו בעת מנוחה ושלווה בע"ה "צר לי מאד נפלה לנא". לכן נראה לי שאין לאמרו, כי גם בסדורי סליחות איננו

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07 Aug 2015 19:45 #2634 by Michael
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I talked to Rav Hamburger and he pointed out some important points. ויאמר דוד אל גד wasn't presented by the Shloh, but was presented by the Kitzur Shloh, which was a book written 150 years after the time of the Shloh (which brings many things, and also some points from the Shloh), written by Rav Yechiel Michel Halevi Epstein, who lives in southern Germany.
It is not mentioned in any of the old Siddurim, and in some of the new Siddurim it is brought, and in some not. it was not said in FFDM.

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