Inserting Melodies in the Tefiloh
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Is it permissible to use melodies used on Shabbos for Yomim Noraim? I have seen this done and sense it may be inappropriate, but am not sure.
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Also Niggunim Nivchorim sometimes become Niggunim Yedu'im, if in a community a specific melody was done for generations, and there could be a problem to change it, as mentioned in the Rm'o (תרי"ט ס"א).
Besides that - Harav Hirsch Zt'l had very specific requirements from the niggunim (even Nivchorim), and it may be unlikely that a new melody would answer these requirements.
You can see more about this subject in this posting , and there is a long article from R' Sho'ul Schneller about it in Yerushoseinu #3.
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Psukei Desimroh and Birkos Hashachar do not have a special melody for Yomim Nouro'im, and (except for Adoun Oulom, Netilas Yodayim, Lehisatef Batzitzis, Boruch Sheomar and Hamelech and onwards) are done like on every Shabbos.
Besides that, the rest of the davening is done in Yomim Nouroim melody.
This applies to things which are Niggunim Yedu'im. Whatever is Niggun Nivchor could come from Shabbos theoretically, but then the question is if it has the right effect and if the melody suits these special days. For example - according to Minhag Ashkenaz, Houtzo'oh and Hachnoso, Ein Keiloukeinu, and even An'im Zemirous, have a special melody for Yomim Nouro'im, and the regular Shabbos melody is not used, even though this officially is done in a Niggun Nivchor.
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Michael wrote: Besides that - Harav Hirsch Zt'l had very specific requirements from the niggunim (even Nivchorim), and it may be unlikely that a new melody would answer these requirements.
Where are the requirements of Rav Hirsch written. I am interested in perusing them in their original, or translated, form.
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In principal one can introduce new melodies, but it needs supervision of a Posek and Talmid Chochom like Rav Hirsch.Steven wrote: If we really want to maintain minhogim and the nusach as it was practiced over the last 2000 years then shouldn't we not introduce any new melodies and why was it OK to do so 200 years ago? This ensures we don't lose any of the most ancient ones?
You can find them in the Haskomo he gave to Japhet's notes. They were translated to Hebrew in Yerushoseinu #3, pg 257/MPerlman wrote: Where are the requirements of Rav Hirsch written. I am interested in perusing them in their original, or translated, form.
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