Western Ashkenaz trop (leynen), and recordings
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						29 Nov 2009 14:20				#1515
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				I would be delighted if you could add (more) leynen material to the Nusach Project, or if you could point me to any other site which would have such material. (Sound-only; I don't read music.)
Ideally, I think it would be valuable to have a grammar/phrase-based mini-course, but a "sulam zarka" would also be welcome. Longish sample readings would be a nice bonus.
I've obviously seen the Benno Weis post. Before I bother his daughter, does anyone know in what form she has the recordings (ie cassettes only, on the internet, ...)?
In case I haven't imposed enough yet, a side-question: How much variation is there between the leynen melodies of Frankfurt, Elsass-Lothringen, and England.
Aryeh
					Ideally, I think it would be valuable to have a grammar/phrase-based mini-course, but a "sulam zarka" would also be welcome. Longish sample readings would be a nice bonus.
I've obviously seen the Benno Weis post. Before I bother his daughter, does anyone know in what form she has the recordings (ie cassettes only, on the internet, ...)?
In case I haven't imposed enough yet, a side-question: How much variation is there between the leynen melodies of Frankfurt, Elsass-Lothringen, and England.
Aryeh
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						01 Dec 2009 03:02				#1517
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				The B. Weis recordings are cassettes (last I checked which was about a year ago). I have the listing of what is available.
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						01 Dec 2009 03:03				#1518
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				The Dartmouth Jewish Sound Archive has many but not all of the recordings of Mr. Benno Weis ob"m available on the internet for free. They are to listen only, not for download. The website is free, but you first need to be granted access, a simple process.
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						01 Dec 2009 15:12				#1520
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				Thank you Steven and BAvis for your replies.
Steven, the Dartmouth archives seem to be sample leynings exclusively. Is that the case for all of the recordings, or is there also some "pedagogical" material? Could you also tell me what is available other than the "standard" Shabbes leynings?
Aryeh
					Steven, the Dartmouth archives seem to be sample leynings exclusively. Is that the case for all of the recordings, or is there also some "pedagogical" material? Could you also tell me what is available other than the "standard" Shabbes leynings?
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						02 Dec 2009 00:59				#1521
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				What I have been asking for, for a while, is the complete trop notes to be posted on the Nusach Project for not only the weekly Touroh reading but for the Haftouroh, Yomim Nouroim, and the Chomaysh Megillous. (including the not often chanted notes, for example the Shalsheles, etc.)
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						02 Dec 2009 03:03				#1522
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				I just received a recording made by R' Dovid Yechiel Cohn (from KAJ Washington Heights, now in Bnei Brak Israel) of all the Ta'amim. I'll be happy to send them to anyone who requests. Please send an email to 
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Many thanks to Daniel for forwarding me the recordings.
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					Many thanks to Daniel for forwarding me the recordings.
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						03 Dec 2009 14:43				#1527
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				Here is one resource I know of, with recordings and sheet music of the weekly trop according to Alsatian custom. (Recording in Real format.)
Please click here.
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					Please click here.
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						04 Dec 2009 03:17				#1528
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				The Dartmouth archive is not complete but it is a good resource for quite a bit of material. You will need to request an ID that will need a follow up email outlining the reason you want access to the recordings. Just be prepared for that.
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						27 Dec 2009 03:54				#1552
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			In the book "The Ashkenazi tradition of biblical chant between 1500-1900", Hanoch Aven Ary compared between these traditions, and his conclusion was that the differences are very minor and meaningless.Aryeh wrote: In case I haven't imposed enough yet, a side-question: How much variation is there between the leynen melodies of Frankfurt, Elsass-Lothringen, and England.
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						28 Dec 2009 14:30				#1556
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				Thanks. I'll try to get access to Avenary's monograph, which I was not familiar with.
Does anyone have any thoughts regarding "The Music of the Hebrew Bible: The Western Ashkenazic Tradition" by Victor Tunkel?
Aryeh
					Does anyone have any thoughts regarding "The Music of the Hebrew Bible: The Western Ashkenazic Tradition" by Victor Tunkel?
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