White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
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2) Is a Jeckish Sargenes different from an eastern european Kittel?
3) I understand that the tallis worn on Rosh Hashonoh, Shabbos Tshuvoh, and Yom Kippur is a white tallis with white stripes.
Should one wear one's tallis over one's head for all tefillos on Yom Kippur, if one usually just wears a hat during davening? I understand according to Rabbi J.B. Soloveichik Z"L, those davening are in someway like a beis din and as such require one to wear a tallis over one's head at all times.
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The original sargenes is similar to the tachrichim, closed from the front and from behind, and is put on over the head. (Last Rosh Hashono, a newly married person from our Kehilla, had an original Sargenes sewed for him).
As the kaepchen and the sargenes are white, many also wear a white Tallis with white stripes. Women too try to wear white clothes on Yomim Noro'im.
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I'd be very interested to know if there is a place that the aveilim wore black kittels - is there a picture of how they look?
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And what else is there a minhog to have white during those days? I saw someone that his tallis bag in asseres yemei teshuvo is white too.
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In addition, it was quite common to wear a white Tallis (with white stripes) at these days.
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Many years ago I wore a white Yarmulke to work - for whatever reason - during Selichous week. Somebody challenged me about it, to which I told him that it is cut differently so it feels different on the head - to remind me that it is time to do Teshuvah. The fellow smirked at the statement.
When I came to work on Zom Gedalyoh, he told me, "Yehuda , you inspired me. I went to Shul for the first time in many years this Rosh Hashonoh. It was good & I may continue going!"
I never followed up on this, but it is definitely enough of a reason to keep on wearing it the whole period. You will never know whom you will inspire.
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On Shabbos Shuva I wear a white tallis, but my regular black velvet Shabbos kippah.
I'm not sure, but I think I have heard that even though German Jews wear a tallis before married, they do not have a special white tallis for the the Yomin Noraim until then.
Also, I believe that Rav Soleveitchik said that unmarried Eastern European men who ordinarily don't wear a tallis should do so on YK.
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You can see more about this in the book Minhogei Worms, siman קל"ו he'oro א.
The white Tallis is a very new Minhag which we find first only after WWI.
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Also, I would be very interested to obtain a pattern for the sargenes that you have described or is it possible to purchase or obtain these somehow too?
Since it is my understanding that the MA is not to have the chatan wear a kittel under the chupah, does a bar mitzvah aged boy begin to wear the kittel or sargenes at R'H and Y"K following his Bar Mitzvah? Along with donning a tallit?
If one does not have a sargenes, is it correct to assume that the kittel is an acceptable substitute?
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Brian
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One starts wearing the Sargenes only after he is married for 1 year.
Most people in KAYJ do not have a Sargenes, and wear a Kittel instead. (One person in the Kehilloh had is sister sew for him a Sargenes, but other then that it is not something you find usually in stores).
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[The one I wear is made of 100% white linen, I slip it over my head, it has no buttons, the sleeves go to my palms, and the bottom reaches my shoes. Is this considered a Sargenes?]
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Rallis wrote: The one I wear is made of 100% white linen, I slip it over my head, it has no buttons, the sleeves go to my palms, and the bottom reaches my shoes. Is this considered a Sargenes?
That would definitely be considered a Sargenes, (although cotton is OK too).
An Elzas Sargenes can be obtained at France, in the following address:
Manufacture de Ridaux
6 rue du Noyer
67000 Strasbourg
Tel:03-88-32-51-02
Fax: 03-88-45-07-51
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