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07 May 2008 01:42 #306 by SBS
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Was the minhag in German schuls for only the Rabbi to place his tallis over his head and everyone else in the kehilloh (Chazan included) wore their hats? If so, what is the reason?

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07 May 2008 13:19 #307 by rallisw
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According to a information compiled by Moreinu HoRav Hamburger Shlito, it is proper for everyone whether rabbi of the kehilloh or layman, to wear a hat and a tallis over the hat.

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08 May 2008 00:01 #309 by SBS
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The predominant minhag in Germany was for the Rav only to have his tallis over his head. Why?

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08 May 2008 19:09 #311 by Michael
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Rav Hamburger explains that in the past everyone used to cover his head and hat with his Tallis while Davening, (but the hats were not as big those days). In the 19th century people stopped covering their heads with the Tallis, and the Rabbonim and Talmidei Chachomim would not change their minhag and they continued covering their heads, which lead to a situation that only the Rov covered his head and not the Tzibbur.

Click here to see full article from Rav Hamburger, (in Hebrew with pictures).

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17 Jun 2008 00:26 #377 by ynathan
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Horav Simon Schwab Z"tl asked me not to wear a Tallis over my head - though I have a Moreinu Horav from the debreciner Rav Z"tl - when I am in KAJ. He said that one must keep up the Minhag Ashkenaz that only the Rav, the Dayanim & possibly those who are given rshus wore there Talis over their heads - rather than wearing hats on their heads & not Talleisim.

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18 Jun 2008 01:09 #380 by Michael
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Although this was not the minhag in the past (please see the link above), of course every place has to stick to Minhag Hamokom, and since this became the minhag in the recent past in Frankfurt and Rav Hirsch's Kehilloh, Harav Schwab Z"tl insisted that the minhag is continued in KAJ.

Michael FRBSH

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19 Jun 2008 00:15 #390 by ynathan
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My father O"bm said that only the Rav covered his head with a Tallis in Munich. My mother O"bm said the same thing about Berlin. I'll look in the various Minhogim Seforim (I have Fuerth, Wuerzburg, Frankfurt Amsterdam & some information on Posen).

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07 Jul 2008 13:27 #431 by Melech
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You've written about the development of the minhag in some places in Germany where only Rabbonim wore a tallis over the head. What about what seems to me to be a widespread German minhag not to where the tallis over the head on Shabbos, even for those who wear it over the head on weekdays? One explanation I heard is that this was out of concern that a tallis over the head could constitute a drabanan of ohel according to Rabbenu Tam, but this explanation doesn't seem credible at all to me, particularly because the same chashash should apply to the Yomim Nora'im as well. So when and how/why did this minhag develop?

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10 Nov 2009 04:35 #1484 by SBS
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How was the old minhag of tallis over the head practiced? Meaning, was the tallis placed over one's head for all of davening? Begining with Baruch She'amar? With Barachu? Were there parts of the davening for which people did not cover their head, like Kriyas Hatorah? If they didn't cover their heads then, did they wear a hat or not?

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13 Nov 2009 16:25 #1490 by Michael
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We don't have data about different times they put the Tallis on and took it off. What we do know is that for many years the hats were small, and the Tallis would be put over it. Today that would be a bit complicated.

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In KAYJ most people don't have their heads covered at Krias Hatorah with the Tallis, and during Krias Hatorah have only their Kippa on their head. (but we do have some who put their hats back on at Krias Hatorah).

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